Gerson put forward many scenarios that not only permitted but demanded disobedience to the pope, even insurrection. For example, should the pope be responsible for either schism or heresy, it was the duty of the church to convene without him and, potentially, to consider inflicting the severest punishment.
The historical events you bring to our attention, specifically the Western Schism, seem to me to be of more than theoretical interest. What good is there in having an infallible Papacy if you do not have a way of locating who might be the Pope? Pope Francis's actions/remarks have fostered conversation among even conservative Catholics about the meaning of Papal prerogatives and the limits of Papal authority: see the articles that regularly appear on Lew Rockwell, or on The New Liturgical Movement.
I agree that this opens more than a mere theoretical question. I can respect those who speak strongly of their traditions but at the same time can be honest about the failings in their traditions.
"We are the only true Church for 2000 years." Nonsense. Any examination will demonstrate the fallacy of such a belief. And I say this not to discount the value in such institutions - these are highly valuable. But at least be honest about it.
The historical events you bring to our attention, specifically the Western Schism, seem to me to be of more than theoretical interest. What good is there in having an infallible Papacy if you do not have a way of locating who might be the Pope? Pope Francis's actions/remarks have fostered conversation among even conservative Catholics about the meaning of Papal prerogatives and the limits of Papal authority: see the articles that regularly appear on Lew Rockwell, or on The New Liturgical Movement.
I agree that this opens more than a mere theoretical question. I can respect those who speak strongly of their traditions but at the same time can be honest about the failings in their traditions.
"We are the only true Church for 2000 years." Nonsense. Any examination will demonstrate the fallacy of such a belief. And I say this not to discount the value in such institutions - these are highly valuable. But at least be honest about it.