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Let me take it one further Bionic. If it is NOT okay for a Christian to participate in the military or police when that military is oppressing or conquering other lands, but it is okay if the military is protecting people's rights, isn't it also acceptable for an individual Christian to protect his own rights and those of the people around him? That puts the focus on the action not the position. Ethical actions are always ethical. Unethical actions are always unethical. We are getting to the state/civilian distinction which libertarians reject. Morality applies equally to a person whether or not they are in a state role. But how does that apply to the Bible passage covered above?

Well, I would say that in each case Jesus brings up, the victims life, health, and material provision are not critically threatened. A slap on the cheek is painful but it won't scar you for life. A second slap on the other cheek is the same. Plus, in the passage, just because you turn the other cheek doesn't mean the aggressor slaps you again. Instead, the "turning" is an act of de-escalation and I think the purpose is to end the conflict. Jesus criticizes the idea of honor culture where a man must strike back to prove his manhood and honor to the public. In God's calculus peace is more important.

In fact I heard a person on the Bob Murphy show describe this instruction as a way to shame the aggressor. According to his understanding, when a right handed person slaps someone on the right cheek with the back of the had that is a sign the aggressor thinks of himself as higher status. It was how you treated a slave. But when you turn the other cheek, he has to slap you on the left cheek with you open hand. In that culture, slapping someone with an open hand was a sign that both people had the same status. So the victim is taking a posture of humility but he is also making the aggressor really think about what he was doing. The victim is stating through his actions, "we are equal, you have no right to slap me, we are from the same social status."

The other cases could have similar meanings. In a law suit, if a person is trying to take your shirt in court, you put the plaintiff in a precarious legal situation if he is in possession of your cloak when he goes before the judge. It is a way that a defendant could shame a plaintiff by non-violent action in their culture.

The walking 2 miles issue is similar. In Roman law a soldier or other Roman official could force you to walk a mile with him to carry out some kind of task. Think of Simon the Cyrene being forced to carry Jesus' cross. But a mile, or the Roman equivalent, was the legal limit. If you walked with a Roman soldier 2 miles in public, you the victim, put the aggressor in legal jeopardy. The soldier could be punished for that.

Maybe this guy on Bob's show was incorrect, but I found it a very interesting conversation. Either way, Jesus' instructions do take the focus off of one's self and put it on the other person whether to withhold a fight or to help them out in some way with a cloak or a walk. It goes from selfishness to generosity, but never to the point that the victim's life or material well being is seriously harmed.

My last point is that proportional justice was followed in the West up until the Enlightenment. Christians followed the Old Testament lessons until secular rationalism took over. Now we see the effects in war. The US, supposedly an exceptional nation, the "good guy", bombs poor countries mercilessly, supplies other nations to do the same thing, and has no crisis of conscience. Even worse, most who call themselves Christians celebrate the merciless bombing and insult or berate those who don't follow suit.

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Thank you for your excellent post. I found it on Lew Rockwell. I agree it is the states responsibility to control violent: "There is extensive teaching elsewhere in Scripture that makes clear the government is established to resist and punish evil."

It depends how pacifism is defined. I consider myself a pacifist. I could not join the military when I was young, mostly because of the overreach and unjust actions of the military. If I were fighting I would not know if I was fighting for a just cause or to make money for the military/Industrial/congressional complex. And if I thought the action was unjust I would be required to carry out orders.

The military is so unjust from a sermon on the mount perspective, I would not be able to hold a position that did not carry a gun. I also refused to assist on projects my company worked on for the military several times during my career.

I considered, but did not apply for a position as police officer for similar reasons. However, I would have possibly been able to hold a position that did not require a gun.

I agree, by your definition of pacifism, pacifism would be ridiculous. It would be necessary to require non-Christians to follow the sermon on the mount. That will never happen.

Romans 13 requires we obey the government as long as we follow Jesus first. It does not require use to participate in the governments evil.

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