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"Yes, but they did leave us writings…."

"I accept tradition; just not above Scripture."

:-) I might argue that *this* is the single biggest hurdle many, if not all, western/protestant/low-church Christians have to cross. It is the Enlightenment--and frankly quite arbitrary--concept that the text, written down, has a primacy over oral tradition handed down. In reality, the written text is just as much a Tradition as the Liturgy or the Rudder or the Philokalia (all written down). Perhaps more so. None of the authors of the books of the NT taught and wrote in a vacuum, and the biblical texts were not handed down and passed on in a vacuum, either. All were as a result of careful the deliberation of The Church, over time. And, we need also to be careful with the OT--Irenaeus' "scriptures" while including some of the proto-NT-Canon, consisted mainly of the Septuagint (as was +Paul's, +John's, +Peter's, even Jesus') How many of us currently use the LXX as our OT... no, the western *tradition* has been to use the Masoretic. I only mention this to show that the separation and elevation of Scripture, apart, over, and above Tradition, is not based on any objective, absolute, or foundational truth. Rather it is a modern assumption.

Scripture, as we have it today, *is* a "tradition of men," if you will. I just think we need to be very, very careful, as people steeped in western protestantism and its sensibilities, to approach scripture as the Church always has, in community and in the context of the Traditions handed down. Not doing so has led us to the condition we're in, currently.

Switching gears, to support your effort here, BM, I would like to also suggest a few compilations of Saints and Fathers' writings... not for discussion just for everyone's edification:

- *The Ante-Nicene Fathers* (by any editor)

- *The Wisdom of the Desert* (by Thomas Merton) or any compilation of The Desert Fathers and Mothers.

- *On the Incarnation* (by Athanasius) or anything else by Athanasius (bonus points for *Against the Heathen*)

- *The Ascetical Homilies of Saint Isaac the Syrian* (by any editor)

Any reader here can gain as much as you wish by reading any part or all of these.

Good series, BM. Thank you.

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