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Ron Colson's avatar

I probably ought not get involved in the conversation, but here goes:

I Timothy 1:5 - Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned...

Ephesians 2:10 - For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Philippians 2:12-13 - Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.  For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

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Once God, in His sovereign grace, has regenerated one of His elect children, they then have the capacity to experience, believe on, and learn about, spiritual things. Once He converts them to (a measure of) the truth (doctrine), they come to believe, and can work accordingly. He has worked in what He calls us to now be worked out.

Thanks be to God that our works, which are a response to His, are not in any way required for our ultimate and final Eternal Salvation. Rather they are the means by which we enjoy that salvation temporally (here-and-now).

p.s. Mr. M, I can't help but notice the decreasing usage of KJT quotes. You said, in the past, as I recall, that you prefer it. I guess that has changed?

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For the past few months, I’ve been wrestling with the differences between the ancient oriental mindset and the modern occidental mindset as molded by the Enlightenment.

As I understand it, ancient orientals conveyed truth and right action through narratives.

In the extreme, theological liberalism strips all historicity from these narratives, considering such accounts as myths that convey truths as the storytellers understood them. The supernatural doesn’t (or rarely) intrude into our reality — it’s just part of the story.

Rigid fundamentalists — my backstory — impose a Joe Friday mindset on the entire Bible: "Just the facts, ma'am." Of course, they recognize different types of literature, but the default is critical analysis from the vocabulary up.

With this dichotomy as a framework, a Methodist might see little but right actions expressed in the Gospels. Conversely, a fundamentalist-leaning evangelical sees nothing by doctrines primarily explicated by St. Paul.

Me? I keep stepping further and further back to see the big picture. The Divine Counsel, the Fall, the Flood, the Tower, the call of Abram, the Exodus, the Conquest, the Kingdom(s), the Exile(s), The Christ, The Acts of the Apostles, the Apocalypse — just to name the high points. Most are a record of obedience and failure, not doctrine. Doctrine informs conduct, but conduct is the emphasis. What are the writings of the prophets if not condemnation and correction of Israel and Judah?

At the risk of oversimplifying to the point of reductionism, the Gospels present a Jesus who could be summed up with His words, “Neither do I condemn you; go, and sin no more.” Once an individual responded to His revelation of Himself, He beckoned, “Come and follow me.” We westerners say, “What can we learn from Jesus’s words?” but those who heard His words heard challenge after challenge. “Let the dead bury the dead.” “Come unto Me, all who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you …”

Again, the epistles and the Apocalypse were written by the apostles to specific people or churches to address specific needs and/or failures and as exhortations to right conduct. The epistle to the Romans and to the Hebrews are the exceptions.

Even as I type these words, I indict myself. Conduct matters more than the ability to repeat the cardinal doctrines of the faith that were largely nailed down in the Fourth Century. My life will not be evaluated on my understanding of the range of meaning associated with the aorist tense or the stems of Hebrew, nor my ability to defend the Blessed Sacrament of the Eucharist.

“If you love me, keep my commandments.”

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